Curse

Sir Mad · Mar 05, 2011, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Back in the days, when Factions was released and titles were introduced, I was a member of the second alliance that held Cavalon ever. That implied weeks and weeks of mindless FFing - understand: running the 'supplies' quest. I managed to get the r2 title (today's r4 title), and I'm sure at that time there were only a few hundreds players who had it.

Then they changed the title: the old rank 1 became the new rank 2, the old rank 2 became the new rank 4, etc. They nerfed the run for the supplies quests, they multiplied the amount of factions gained in FA and AB by... a lot. They changed JQ so everybody would like to do it. Yeah, everything changed. That was not just one daily added as for the Guardian of Ascalon title.

Then suddenly, everybody had a Luxon/Kurzik title. Do you think anyone complained? Do you think the first day FFers complained? No. We actually enjoyed it. Not only because we finally had something else to do than those stupid quests, but also because achieving these titles was finally possible.

Just so you know, at this time we owned Cavalon with 4 millions factions. How many factions do you need now to take control of it? That alone means how hard faction farming, and getting the titles associated, was.

So no, I won't complain for the Ascalon title, just as I didn't complain for the allegiance titles, for the sole reason they changed something incredibly boring into something that could eventually be fun. And the fact those titles lost their uniqueness doesn't matter IMM: I don't wanna be superman. I just wanna play a game I enjoy.

Coraline Jones · Mar 06, 2011, 12:44 AM // 00:44

I love how people are "angry" over the change over LDoA title. I hope people realize that the title made Guild Wars look like a total joke. Guild Wars is one of two video games that I know which actually rewards players for going AFK for hours at a time.

I want somebody to seriously show me any other video game, past or present, where the objective was to die a whole bunch of times, and then the player would be given some equivalent to a statue in a Hall of Monuments. I have seen silly achievement unlocks and even in-game titles for dying excessively, but those games actually required that you had to be playing the game to get it. Guild Wars is the only game that I know where leaving the computer and letting monsters kill you repeatedly results in a maximum title reward that is equal in prestige as Legendary Vanquisher. This is a maximum title which you earn by not playing the game and having no skill whatsoever.

The only thing that I'm mad about this change is why the heck it took so long to implement.

maddigit · Mar 06, 2011, 01:12 AM // 01:12

Coraline couldn't have said it better.

So many whiners. I see a lot of activity again, and I think that's a plus.

Reformed · Mar 06, 2011, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

This is a maximum title which you earn by not playing the game and having no skill whatsoever.

Seeing as how it requires no skill whatsoever to finish it's safe to say you maxed it already and we can all look forward to a screenshot, right?

MArcSinus · Mar 06, 2011, 02:58 AM // 02:58

I'll never forget the joy when I maxed my LDoA after weeks of deathleveling (got the title in 2 months) and my survivor after some tries by not paying attention.

You can ruin those titles ANet by making the game easier but you can never ever take my joy and fond memories away!

*sigh* time to change titles I guess and putting max wisdom up again, guess we only have 3 prestigious titles left in this damn game.

Godess Charmaine · Mar 06, 2011, 04:16 AM // 04:16

can understand ppl being upset to the title changes . me and survor title dont go toghter well lol, I allways die.

Interested now to go back to pre and start a new toon for that title as allways loved pre didnt like death leveling, thought that was just to stupid to do and not really in the titles reward, ledgendary " dead all the time" dosn't do it for me.

With the ppl that have achieved so much before this nerf why cant Anet do one thing which should be simple and logical. reward these ppls achevments with a specal title, eg make the title in bold gold letters to say wow this person did it the hard way. Or give a specal mini of some sort to say acheved GWAMM the oldfasion way.

think all the ppl who have dedicated so much effort deserved to be reconised.

cheers

GWfan#1 · Mar 06, 2011, 06:59 AM // 06:59

I got LDoA through Death Leveling and I do feel ripped off by this new update. As Im sure those who maxed their Drunkard title the hard way also feel robbed.

I also see how this is the right direction for the game to go.

After reading Goddess Charmaine's comment about the people achieved their titles the hard/old fashioned way, I would definitely have to agree that "people who have dedicated so much effort deserved to be recognized."

A different colored text would be a great idea. Just something to show that "hey... I did this back when it was more difficult"

It does devalue the title for me. I chose to get the title in the first place because I do love the lore that surrounds Ascalon specifically.

Lasai · Mar 06, 2011, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by GWfan#1

I got LDoA through Death Leveling and I do feel ripped off by this new update. As Im sure those who maxed their Drunkard title the hard way also feel robbed.

I also see how this is the right direction for the game to go.

After reading Goddess Charmaine's comment about the people achieved their titles the hard/old fashioned way, I would definitely have to agree that "people who have dedicated so much effort deserved to be recognized."

A different colored text would be a great idea. Just something to show that "hey... I did this back when it was more difficult"

It does devalue the title for me. I chose to get the title in the first place because I do love the lore that surrounds Ascalon specifically.

And lo.. the mighty Hero did remove his armor and weapons, while the fearsome Charr smote him down, and smote him down, and smote him down, and smote him down, (hours pass) and smote him down...............

And the legend was born. Great story.

drkn · Mar 06, 2011, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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As Im sure those who maxed their Drunkard title the hard way also feel robbed.

I don't.

Sorry everyone, but deathleveling didn't require anything big. Sure, you had to learn to pull the charr. Sure, it took a while to get it done properly - but after 20 runs, you should be an expert. Sure, it took 30 min to set up the shrine... whoah, 30 min!

I intended to get LDoA a few months ago, but i realised how crappy my connection was (thankfully changed the ISP already). It wouldn't stay alive for 3h in the early morning, not to mention 10+h at night. Moreso, my computer runs into infinite loops, generated by crappy GPU not liking CPU too much. Is it my fault? I practically wouldn't be able to set my toon AFK for 10h due to technical issues - either the computer would lock up or the connection would die.
As soon as i saw the change, i started a new toon. I just want LDoA for fun of staying in pre and doing something there, instead of constant dying.
I don't feel robbed by neither survivor nor drunkard changes. Even though i had to max Kurzicks to get GWAMM on my main and believe me, it took more playtime effort than just setting up for deathleveling.

E:
Not to mention that you STILL can deathlevel mobs. Moreso, if you get lucky with daily quests, you might be able to start with 10+ mobs instead of level 8 charr. So you can BOTH farm the new mobs/quests during the day and then deathlevel them during the night, for even more xp, making your title gain still faster than others.

Dzjudz · Mar 06, 2011, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

*sigh* time to change titles I guess and putting max wisdom up again, guess we only have 3 prestigious titles left in this damn game.

I know you and another guildie of ours spent quite some time buying unIDs, but how exactly is buying unIDs prestigious?

Reformed · Mar 06, 2011, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by drkn

Not to mention that you STILL can deathlevel mobs. Moreso, if you get lucky with daily quests, you might be able to start with 10+ mobs instead of level 8 charr. So you can BOTH farm the new mobs/quests during the day and then deathlevel them during the night, for even more xp, making your title gain still faster than others.

According to a poster on pre-sear it's now possible to do LDoA in 6 hours by just farming the mobs spawned from the quests. The fact that you can do both is moot when the time to max now takes less than one death level cycle.

The real prestige title in there will be Survivor now, oh the irony.

yitjuan · Mar 06, 2011, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

I love how people are "angry" over the change over LDoA title. I hope people realize that the title made Guild Wars look like a total joke. Guild Wars is one of two video games that I know which actually rewards players for going AFK for hours at a time.

going off topic here but whats the other videogame?

GWfan#1 · Mar 06, 2011, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Lasai

And lo.. the mighty Hero did remove his armor and weapons, while the fearsome Charr smote him down, and smote him down, and smote him down, and smote him down, (hours pass) and smote him down...............

And the legend was born. Great story.

You're correct, it was the only way. A way which I knew would be very time consuming when I originally decided to get LDoA. Im glad they introduced this new way to make the title a lot more accessible but reading a below post of a 6-hour LDoA just disappoints me. I guess /deaths and my collection of Charr hides will suffice.

Daesu · Mar 06, 2011, 08:14 PM // 20:14

I am glad they made drunkard and LDoA less of a grind and less time consuming.

For those who already had their LDoA or Drunkard the hard way, you already know what you were in for when you started on those titles along the way. I can only assume that you really DO enjoy playing this game, and you are not treating this like a job. If you really enjoy getting drunkard and LDoA the hard way, why complain? But if you treated those titles as a sign of your e-peen "superiority" over us, simply because you don't have a life, then there is something wrong with you.

Hobbs · Mar 06, 2011, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Seeing as how it requires no skill whatsoever to finish it's safe to say you maxed it already and we can all look forward to a screenshot, right?

Lolwhut...Something taking no skill does not mean everyone is inclined to do it, particularly if it offers virtually no reward. I could easily have LDoA but I'd rather not leave my PC on overnight/all day and since I only have one account, getting LDoA would preclude me from actually having fun in GW. This is not a matter of skill by any stretch of the imagination.

Daesu · Mar 06, 2011, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Seeing as how it requires no skill whatsoever to finish it's safe to say you maxed it already and we can all look forward to a screenshot, right?

It doesn't require skill, it only requires lots and lots of TIME which means you must have a real lifestyle that has no responsibilities and no life either that or you cheated. Any title that requires you to play like a mindless bot probably doesn't need skill because a good player would beat any bot.

I have known people who have botted their way through those kinds of titles. Are the titles hard to do? Of course not! Just because I have a job and a family doesn't necessarily imply that a kid who has more time in his hands is ALWAYS more skillful since he can grind more by double clicking on alcohol repeatedly in a game every minute while I am working away. Those titles do not demonstrate skill, only grind. The most I would give you, if you have achieved them legitly, is dedication, not skill.

Reformed · Mar 07, 2011, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Daesu

...which means you must have a real lifestyle that has no responsibilities and no life either that or you cheated.

This particular combination of either/or is used so frequently around here when someone doesn't have something in the game and is jealous (most commonly wealth or items) it might as well be a trope. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about if you think this ate so much time it was impossible to function normally. It required a maximum of 2 hours total play time a day and then not even in one sitting unless you felt like bs'ing with guildies/friends.

MithranArkanere · Mar 07, 2011, 01:05 AM // 01:05

One thing must be made clear:

Time invested =/= effort.
Some things make take more effort than others, even if they take less time.
Paying a gatemonkey and letting youself die for hours had next to no effort.

Now that we can get Survivor down there, killing an 6 Undead Necromancers and their servants without dying, now that takes more effort.

Killing yourself is easy. Staying alive, that's harder.

jazilla · Mar 07, 2011, 01:58 AM // 01:58

I keep trying to see the logic of people that say the title was prestigious back in the day. prestigious for pulling a mob of sub level 15's to a shrine to have them level so they can kill you over and over while you are reading a book or playing another game? huh?

blue.rellik · Mar 07, 2011, 03:09 AM // 03:09

To see all the people complain about this better method of getting LDoA have little to no understanding of fun and enjoyable game design